In light of my earlier blog today on swearing at the police, s5 public order offences and Mr Justice Bean. Please add the disgraceful abuse and taunts you have experienced as a police officer as comments to this post.
We may be able to get people to realise what we have to tolerate. Please do not blank out words such as f£&k or change to eff etc. Please type as said to you.
Particularly fond of the man who threatened to “find your fucking missus and fuck her in the cunt and up the arse” … also the bloke who hoped that “your kids get leukemia and fucking die a horrible death”.
Nice chaps, both of them.
‘You’re a fucking witch, cunt. I hope you fucking die and your kids get fucking run over.’
Nice.
It’s no different in the U.S.A. I have been called every name in the book and then some new ones like fucktard, pussy-ass cracker, and the like. I have been told that,”When I get out, I am gonna fuck your wife and make u watch then kill you!!”
“You fucking bitch I’ll fucking show you you cunt.” at that point the young gentleman concerned was put to the floor
I’m going to find where you live and burn your house down while you and fucking family are sleeping!
Your wife is a fucking whore I fucked her and your mother last night!
Im going to stab you fucking up you cunt!
From @sgtgrumpy1
recently chap shouted that he hoped my children get cancer and die and I was a f****** dirty pig who didn’t know my father.
“Fuck you and fuck the fucking Queens old fucking pussy you fucking wankers, ill fucking rape your fucking mum you prick. Fucking arrest me, the fucking courts won’t do anything ill be out tomorrow.” Followed by much spitting. Very unpleasant young man. All caught on body worn camera and played in court.
Whilst working at the call centre- male repeatedly rang on 999 saying we were all ‘fucking English cunts’. He was later prosecuted.
I have often been sworn at on the phone.
“White Prick, I’m gonna fuck your mom” then started moving his hips back and forth going ” yeah you like that don’t you – ah, ah,ah”. Soon went quiet when the van arrived and 7 bobbies jumped on him!
I think this is really sad. It just goes to show how ignorant these people are. They have no intellect, and are completely unable to articulate other than in an abusive and threatening manner. This is probably why the police come across verbal abuse more often than other professions. I am not in the force, but I’m guessing the problem has got gradually worse as society has slowly lost all respect. I blame this on the “human rights” that have been afforded to everyone: the fear of teachers in the class room, the fear of a parent to slap a naughtly child, and although I am in no place to say, I suspect that there is a certain amount of fear in the police to apprehend a criminal? There is no discipline any more. Whilst the police should not be subjected to this language, I think that until standards improve in schools, parenting improves, and the general perception that individuals have human rights so extensive that they can behave how they wish – then this problem will not go away. You would never have this problem in Singapore where there is so much respect for the country and the police. I honestly think that it should be compulsory for all 16 year olds to do a stint in the army to learn about respect, and most importantly – self respect. Further, I think those on benefits should have there payments deducted if they commit a criminal offence so that they actually earn their benefits. Crikey – right wing rant over with.
Not a copper but
” I hope your fucking baby is born deformed”
Aftet arresting a suspect, I got the usual:
“now then you gay cunt, stop fucking touching me! Do you wanna fuck me or something?”
“I’m married mate, you’re not my type.” I rather politely (I thought) replied.
“yeah, I was round at yours last night and I be fucked your wife. Her pussy tasted fucking great and I really liked it after I’d fucked her in the arse when she sucked her shit off my cock.”
This is not an unusual occurrence unfortunately.
If you’re here for the abuse examples, which are great by the way, skip this. Just wanted to add my fourpenneth to the issue.
First, Thanks Custody Sergeant for your piece – and I think this is a good eye opener for people to remember what you boys and girls do for us on a daily basis, thank you.
I also feel that it has nothing whatsoever to do with Mr Justice Beans decision and that The Telegraph reporting, and this, are sending out a misleading message as to Orum, and the judgements since.
Quite simply, every example given on this page, and the author’s original post, are clearly offensive comments made with an intention to cause offence and remain, as they always were, criminal offences.
That officers don’t always arrest because of them is a credit to them, that they don’t simply react and punch the abuser in the face, more so.
But the situation described in The Telegraph is very different, the swearing described there was ‘passive’ rather than aggressive, used for emphasis rather than to alarm and distress (as all the examples here clearly were).
My view is that to talk to anyone simply doing there job in this way is wholly unacceptable. If they were accessing NHS service, I’d expect them to be asked to leave, if they were entering through security at a court or airport, refused that entry. But to criminalise a person for doing so is a completely different thing.
Now the difference I realise for officers is that they don’t have the luxury of withdrawing their service. The very fact the service may not be wanted is often a symptom of why it needs to take place (here it was a search in the street I understand).
But therein lies the problem. The state is, no doubt through suspicion on this occasion rather than under s.60, accosting (quite rightly, don’t get me wrong) a civilian in the street. It is forcing him to comply with something he doesn’t want to do and it is, I would feel (being a white middle class male, like most others of my ilk, not something I’ve been through), a degrading and humiliating process to go through. We know in this case it led to nothing being found.
Still not, in my view, a reason to swear in the street. But people do swear in the street, and will often do so without seeking to alarm or distress anyone.
The need for police to be able to use their powers justifies the arrest of those who obstruct that use, or those who cause alarm and distress.
There is no concurrent need for the arrest because a person isn’t showing you respect as you do it, and neither should there be. The criminalisation of a person should be for behaviour which warrants it. The beauty of our system is that it recognises this as a balancing act, and allows for cases to be decided on a fact specific basis. Of course this does mean that there will a subjective line created, and sometimes different people will have different views of where that line should be placed.
But where it is clear that the law (not the judge) will not support an arrest in a set of given circumstances, and yet people are being arrested for such behaviour, it is clearly right that a judge should state that.
This blog, I feel, whilst being a really insightful and useful reminder of what the police do for us, unfortunately adds credence to the dishonesty of The Telegraph which can only lead to making your job harder (I’m not cynical enough to think that this is just an attempt to increase police powers), letting those who don’t respect the police think it’s ok now to seek to alarm and distress them, when that patently isn’t the case.
I don’t usually comment on blogs, so please excuse the length of this post. I just found The Telegraph piece very disappointing and wanted to give what, I think (i’m often wrong), is a more balanced explanation of the judgement.
Thanks for the opportunity to do so.
@CrimeCounsel
Absolutely spot on!!!! I would still arrest for most of the abuse mentioned above but have had to advise younger officers on more than one occasion that the word fuck is used in general speech and when not aggresive isnt a ground for arrest
“Who do you think you are banning us you bunch of cunts. We got your numbers. We’ll fuck you like you never been fucked before.”
Off duty police ejected from Neros 2000 night club 1981 Ramsgate when off duty police became banned from admission to the club.
The off duty police were back a following weekend driving the wrong way round the seafront one way system in an overladen car. They charged the door to try to force admission and were duly seen off. THis led to another string of verbal abuse from the off duty police. But they stayed banned.
Police Officers need to remember the old adage,”sticks and stones can break our bones, but names will never hurt me”.
I’m a law abiding man, and yet the Police have hurt me for no reason, and I don’t swear either.
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In Arizona, US, it is not illegal to swear at the police. It is considered part of our job. I have been threatened and sworn at with no way to press disorderly conduct charges unless a citizen sees it and is willing to press charges. That said – the worst thing ever said to me was from a case where the defendant killed 3 people. On his way out of the courtroom one day, he looked me in the eye and said, “You’re next.” No swear words were needed.